1 00:00:36,950 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:43,910 --> 00:00:41,430 explode the bazaars or e-ticket ride 3 00:00:47,190 --> 00:00:43,920 into the world of the paranoid 4 00:00:50,210 --> 00:00:47,200 strap yourself in as we traverse the 5 00:00:54,619 --> 00:00:50,220 universe exploring the unexplained UFO 6 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:54,629 of ghosts Lost Worlds 7 00:01:00,840 --> 00:00:57,010 cryptozoology as well as other 8 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:00,850 dimensions it's time to take back the 9 00:01:08,910 --> 00:01:05,890 night night now your electrifying hosts 10 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:08,920 of exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley 11 00:01:19,950 --> 00:01:16,570 and team sports so what are we doing out 12 00:01:23,850 --> 00:01:19,960 in this field with these these frisbees 13 00:01:28,010 --> 00:01:23,860 Tim why don't we need a dog along with 14 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:28,020 us to fetch him if we toss them about 15 00:01:33,300 --> 00:01:31,090 keep it down I don't want to draw any 16 00:01:36,870 --> 00:01:33,310 attention to us we're not playing a game 17 00:01:39,330 --> 00:01:36,880 here we're here to photograph UFOs just 18 00:01:43,620 --> 00:01:39,340 like mine pop Trent and others have done 19 00:01:47,190 --> 00:01:43,630 over the year but frisbees aren't flying 20 00:01:51,270 --> 00:01:47,200 saucers you mean you mean you plan on 21 00:01:55,199 --> 00:01:51,280 faking UFO pictures do you want to 22 00:01:58,469 --> 00:01:55,209 create a hoax that's that's just so 23 00:02:02,540 --> 00:01:58,479 deceptive Tim well I wouldn't classify 24 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:02,550 them as face they're told in 25 00:02:10,770 --> 00:02:06,369 demonstration models our interpretation 26 00:02:13,020 --> 00:02:10,780 for display of purposes some of the 27 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:13,030 public is gullible they'll they'll think 28 00:02:19,229 --> 00:02:17,530 that they're a real live UFOs you should 29 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:19,239 be ashamed of yourself 30 00:02:26,130 --> 00:02:22,090 I'll have no part in this fraud I'm 31 00:02:27,690 --> 00:02:26,140 heading back to the K cor radio studios 32 00:02:31,559 --> 00:02:27,700 see you tonight 33 00:02:35,740 --> 00:02:31,569 well you're no fun I mean what are the 34 00:02:38,590 --> 00:02:35,750 chances of photographing a real UFO 35 00:02:44,950 --> 00:02:38,600 like that one that seems to be flying 36 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:44,960 overhead headed in our direction Tim not 37 00:02:50,650 --> 00:02:46,730 talking to you - what mm-hmm 38 00:02:52,930 --> 00:02:50,660 I I don't I don't blame you I I would 39 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:52,940 never fake a UFO you know I've never 40 00:02:58,060 --> 00:02:56,210 tried to fake a UFO a photograph it 41 00:03:01,390 --> 00:02:58,070 it seems to me well at least in the old 42 00:03:04,470 --> 00:03:01,400 days it seemed to me it would be easier 43 00:03:08,710 --> 00:03:04,480 to do than now there's all kinds of 44 00:03:11,860 --> 00:03:08,720 analysis that can be can be done and and 45 00:03:14,830 --> 00:03:11,870 you know I don't think that a good large 46 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:14,840 proportion of the photographs that I 47 00:03:21,850 --> 00:03:19,250 think are not legitimate or we're done 48 00:03:24,670 --> 00:03:21,860 is hoaxes 49 00:03:27,810 --> 00:03:24,680 well there's one that comes to a to mind 50 00:03:32,260 --> 00:03:27,820 that I know that it is back in the late 51 00:03:35,530 --> 00:03:32,270 1960s my first that publisher gray 52 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:35,540 Barker god bless his soul mmm faith day 53 00:03:43,060 --> 00:03:40,010 a 16-millimeter some 16 millimeter 54 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:43,070 footage which is known as the Lost Creek 55 00:03:50,860 --> 00:03:47,330 saucer and I blame it on my friend Jim 56 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:50,870 Mosley who of course had a reputation as 57 00:03:55,270 --> 00:03:53,209 being a prankster and a trickster but 58 00:03:58,240 --> 00:03:55,280 the reason that the photograph was of 59 00:04:00,130 --> 00:03:58,250 the the film was made was because Jim 60 00:04:02,170 --> 00:04:00,140 was doing the lecture circuit to 61 00:04:05,350 --> 00:04:02,180 colleges and making some fairly decent 62 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:05,360 money and the promoter said that they he 63 00:04:10,449 --> 00:04:08,330 needed some photographic a proof he 64 00:04:12,250 --> 00:04:10,459 needed to have some evidence so he had 65 00:04:14,410 --> 00:04:12,260 his buddy I guess they were out there 66 00:04:17,740 --> 00:04:14,420 drinking when they had a couple of beers 67 00:04:22,270 --> 00:04:17,750 and they got the saucer a model and hung 68 00:04:24,790 --> 00:04:22,280 it on a fishing pole a line and had 69 00:04:26,650 --> 00:04:24,800 somebody run up and point to it in 70 00:04:29,140 --> 00:04:26,660 involved and heaved and weaved in the 71 00:04:32,409 --> 00:04:29,150 other sky and it's known today as the 72 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:32,419 Lost Creek saucer lasts about maybe 35 73 00:04:40,540 --> 00:04:36,290 or 40 seconds at the at the at the most 74 00:04:45,190 --> 00:04:40,550 now Mike my favorite one though is this 75 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:45,200 a picture that was taken in 1965 by 76 00:04:49,719 --> 00:04:48,410 Allen Smith he was a teenager at the 77 00:04:51,820 --> 00:04:49,729 time 78 00:04:53,170 --> 00:04:51,830 supposedly the story goes or he claims 79 00:04:57,580 --> 00:04:53,180 that he was out with his father one 80 00:04:59,739 --> 00:04:57,590 night they lived around Tulsa Oklahoma 81 00:05:05,350 --> 00:04:59,749 and they saw this object in the sky and 82 00:05:09,129 --> 00:05:05,360 he had a brownie box camera Kodak 83 00:05:11,820 --> 00:05:09,139 Brownie it was turned picture but when 84 00:05:16,029 --> 00:05:11,830 they got the the film back from the 85 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:16,039 drugstore the the photos appeared to be 86 00:05:18,879 --> 00:05:16,849 a blank 87 00:05:20,830 --> 00:05:18,889 there's nothing came out on him but he 88 00:05:23,950 --> 00:05:20,840 held the negatives up and he saw a spot 89 00:05:28,059 --> 00:05:23,960 on it and he said let's get this blown 90 00:05:30,010 --> 00:05:28,069 up and in LA enlarge and it's a very 91 00:05:32,709 --> 00:05:30,020 popular photograph I believe it was even 92 00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:32,719 on the cover of a Look magazine I call 93 00:05:38,830 --> 00:05:36,110 it the the pinwheel it's an object with 94 00:05:41,980 --> 00:05:38,840 the kind of like your two prongs coming 95 00:05:45,070 --> 00:05:41,990 out of the the top kind of towards the 96 00:05:48,519 --> 00:05:45,080 side and then the pinwheel effect part 97 00:05:52,050 --> 00:05:48,529 of the object is red I think green and 98 00:05:54,969 --> 00:05:52,060 and blue and maybe a little white a 99 00:05:57,309 --> 00:05:54,979 throne in there well it at first a 100 00:05:59,709 --> 00:05:57,319 glance it would be appear to be a 101 00:06:02,079 --> 00:05:59,719 legitimate photograph but I just 102 00:06:05,429 --> 00:06:02,089 happened to come across the explanation 103 00:06:10,089 --> 00:06:05,439 for it if you go into the Internet and 104 00:06:15,129 --> 00:06:10,099 you do a search under illustrations for 105 00:06:18,459 --> 00:06:15,139 the red poet it is a painting done by 106 00:06:24,450 --> 00:06:18,469 Clovis ray and I'll spell the last name 107 00:06:29,110 --> 00:06:24,460 t ro you I ll e the painting was done in 108 00:06:31,149 --> 00:06:29,120 1949 long before the photograph was 109 00:06:33,820 --> 00:06:31,159 taken if you lay the two of them 110 00:06:37,869 --> 00:06:33,830 side-by-side in the upper left-hand 111 00:06:43,329 --> 00:06:37,879 corner of the painting by Clovis it's a 112 00:06:45,999 --> 00:06:43,339 scene of a castle and with a mode and a 113 00:06:48,399 --> 00:06:46,009 black night in the corner and up in the 114 00:06:51,010 --> 00:06:48,409 sky there are comets and signs and 115 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:51,020 symbols I meant maybe of Armageddon or 116 00:06:54,820 --> 00:06:52,849 something that's very bleak of painting 117 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:54,830 but there in the year of the upper 118 00:07:03,280 --> 00:06:58,330 left-hand corner is the spaceship 119 00:07:06,990 --> 00:07:03,290 photographed in 1965 by Allen Smith Dirk 120 00:07:09,670 --> 00:07:07,000 be no doubt if you lay them side by side 121 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:09,680 you will see that the brushstrokes and 122 00:07:15,690 --> 00:07:12,170 everything is very evident now I don't 123 00:07:18,310 --> 00:07:15,700 believe that the young man consciously 124 00:07:19,930 --> 00:07:18,320 hoax the photograph but I do believe 125 00:07:22,540 --> 00:07:19,940 that there's a good chance from anybody 126 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:22,550 could ever speak to him and ask him was 127 00:07:27,790 --> 00:07:25,850 he in a museum or an art gallery that 128 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:27,800 day or previously maybe took some 129 00:07:32,590 --> 00:07:31,010 photographs without a flash and this is 130 00:07:35,230 --> 00:07:32,600 what came out when he saw it on a 131 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:35,240 negative hasn't blown out there's no 132 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:37,730 doubt this is this is it and I've sent 133 00:07:42,790 --> 00:07:40,970 the copy and the original to the Tulsa 134 00:07:45,070 --> 00:07:42,800 newspaper who still prints it on the 135 00:07:46,540 --> 00:07:45,080 front page every year saying it's a 136 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:46,550 remarkable photograph but there's an 137 00:07:51,550 --> 00:07:48,890 explanation for it and there are other 138 00:07:54,850 --> 00:07:51,560 UFO pictures that can be explained as 139 00:07:56,950 --> 00:07:54,860 well but anyway that leads us up to the 140 00:07:59,830 --> 00:07:56,960 introduction of our guests that for this 141 00:08:03,460 --> 00:07:59,840 evening tip right right well and you 142 00:08:06,340 --> 00:08:03,470 know it's a a perfect perfect person to 143 00:08:09,070 --> 00:08:06,350 have on tonight to discuss these sort of 144 00:08:12,490 --> 00:08:09,080 things because our guest is Jason leaves 145 00:08:15,970 --> 00:08:12,500 now Jason was born in 1969 in Liverpool 146 00:08:19,210 --> 00:08:15,980 and he's combined his experience in the 147 00:08:22,630 --> 00:08:19,220 RAF and a career in engineering for 148 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:22,640 Shell Oil's to contribute over the last 149 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:26,330 10 years on numerous UFO pages and media 150 00:08:32,380 --> 00:08:28,850 he's carried out photographic image 151 00:08:35,770 --> 00:08:32,390 video footage analysis on UFOs and 152 00:08:38,770 --> 00:08:35,780 associated anomalies for many ufologists 153 00:08:41,409 --> 00:08:38,780 within our community worldwide using the 154 00:08:44,770 --> 00:08:41,419 latest updated imagery computer science 155 00:08:47,650 --> 00:08:44,780 technology and software available now 156 00:08:51,940 --> 00:08:47,660 Jason is the author of the new book the 157 00:08:55,170 --> 00:08:51,950 UFO G umbrella and that gleam follows up 158 00:08:58,330 --> 00:08:55,180 from his first book UFO photo and 159 00:09:01,060 --> 00:08:58,340 subjectively opens up the topic of Close 160 00:09:04,780 --> 00:09:01,070 Encounters and the sub categories 161 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:04,790 entailed within now you apologist and X 162 00:09:12,820 --> 00:09:10,250 Royal Air Force Gleaves reveals these 163 00:09:15,450 --> 00:09:12,830 fascinating categories from initial UFO 164 00:09:16,870 --> 00:09:15,460 sightings to actual extraterrestrial 165 00:09:20,410 --> 00:09:16,880 contact 166 00:09:23,470 --> 00:09:20,420 known as Close Encounters one through 167 00:09:25,949 --> 00:09:23,480 seven plus explaining the often 168 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:25,959 unrecognized subjects that accompany 169 00:09:32,769 --> 00:09:29,810 such as possible advanced spaceflight 170 00:09:33,819 --> 00:09:32,779 method so Jason thank you very much for 171 00:09:37,930 --> 00:09:33,829 being with us tonight 172 00:09:39,660 --> 00:09:37,940 on exploring the bizarre hi guys and 173 00:09:42,819 --> 00:09:39,670 thanks for the invite 174 00:09:47,199 --> 00:09:42,829 well you know the question that comes to 175 00:09:49,749 --> 00:09:47,209 mind to start this off is have you ever 176 00:09:51,639 --> 00:09:49,759 seen a UFO I mean what got you 177 00:09:55,420 --> 00:09:51,649 interested in the in the subject and 178 00:10:00,280 --> 00:09:55,430 what led to your getting to the point 179 00:10:04,329 --> 00:10:00,290 where you wanted to investigate UFO 180 00:10:08,699 --> 00:10:04,339 photographs yeah about a couple of 181 00:10:11,139 --> 00:10:08,709 sightings myself over the years first 182 00:10:14,860 --> 00:10:11,149 started in my childhood really when I 183 00:10:17,410 --> 00:10:14,870 was 7 years old when I saw a disc-shaped 184 00:10:21,249 --> 00:10:17,420 object outside the window with my sister 185 00:10:25,269 --> 00:10:21,259 when I was age 7 and this was in a tree 186 00:10:27,699 --> 00:10:25,279 in Liverpool we would just plain 187 00:10:32,259 --> 00:10:27,709 basically upstairs in it in a relative's 188 00:10:35,019 --> 00:10:32,269 house in the bedroom there was a bright 189 00:10:39,189 --> 00:10:35,029 illuminated disc-shaped object outside 190 00:10:42,790 --> 00:10:39,199 the window we both saw this object and 191 00:10:44,740 --> 00:10:42,800 then it took off at high velocity and it 192 00:10:47,949 --> 00:10:44,750 disappeared outside then we just carried 193 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:47,959 on plane as if nothing had happened and 194 00:10:53,139 --> 00:10:49,730 I had actually forgotten about the 195 00:10:55,929 --> 00:10:53,149 incident till only a few years ago when 196 00:10:56,470 --> 00:10:55,939 I started getting into UF LG in more 197 00:10:59,829 --> 00:10:56,480 depth 198 00:11:02,650 --> 00:10:59,839 my my sister reminded me of the incident 199 00:11:05,439 --> 00:11:02,660 that happened there's been other 200 00:11:09,249 --> 00:11:05,449 numerous sightings that I've had in 201 00:11:12,269 --> 00:11:09,259 things we high strangeness sort of 202 00:11:15,999 --> 00:11:12,279 things but when I was in the Air Force 203 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:16,009 there was a UFO incident happened RAF 204 00:11:23,340 --> 00:11:19,970 Cosford where I was stationed it's in 205 00:11:26,889 --> 00:11:23,350 the Midlands in the UK and a huge 206 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:26,899 triangle shaped craft black triangle 207 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:30,290 that descended over the airfield there 208 00:11:36,970 --> 00:11:33,290 and it was seen throughout the UK it was 209 00:11:40,900 --> 00:11:36,980 during March 1993 and it was seen 210 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:40,910 throughout the UK by on duty policemen 211 00:11:47,050 --> 00:11:43,970 and other members of the public and the 212 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:47,060 craft went from RAF Cosford to another 213 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:51,970 RAF base RAF Shawbury it was seen by the 214 00:11:58,540 --> 00:11:56,210 on-duty air traffic controller so you 215 00:12:01,120 --> 00:11:58,550 have a quite a few things that have 216 00:12:04,510 --> 00:12:01,130 happened throughout my career military 217 00:12:07,780 --> 00:12:04,520 and civilian okay well now your first 218 00:12:09,790 --> 00:12:07,790 sighting you you say that you had 219 00:12:12,370 --> 00:12:09,800 forgotten about it for a long time do 220 00:12:15,190 --> 00:12:12,380 you think the memory of what happened to 221 00:12:18,910 --> 00:12:15,200 you yeah well it was a race there or was 222 00:12:20,620 --> 00:12:18,920 it just that I I don't know I mean is 223 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:20,630 there an explanation for why you forgot 224 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:22,970 her I put it in the back of your mind 225 00:12:30,070 --> 00:12:27,410 and yeah it's probably down to the quite 226 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:30,080 similar to missing time that I've sort 227 00:12:38,430 --> 00:12:35,210 of you know where I see UFO G generally 228 00:12:41,350 --> 00:12:38,440 with people is you go through this mud 229 00:12:43,300 --> 00:12:41,360 erode through your life of actually you 230 00:12:45,550 --> 00:12:43,310 know wanting to find out more things 231 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:45,560 about UFOs and things like that and I 232 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:48,410 call it the Richard Dreyfuss syndrome 233 00:12:54,580 --> 00:12:51,770 we're very good yeah you know we're 234 00:12:57,670 --> 00:12:54,590 people who have sightings or experiences 235 00:13:00,070 --> 00:12:57,680 want to go down that road of becoming 236 00:13:02,410 --> 00:13:00,080 obsessive really you know trying to find 237 00:13:05,650 --> 00:13:02,420 out more information about what they've 238 00:13:09,700 --> 00:13:05,660 seen and whatever but the thing with my 239 00:13:11,830 --> 00:13:09,710 sister I just completely forgotten it I 240 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:11,840 don't know why it was whether it goes 241 00:13:20,380 --> 00:13:15,170 down to missing to memory loss I'm not 242 00:13:23,350 --> 00:13:20,390 100% sure of that but you know it does 243 00:13:27,250 --> 00:13:23,360 happen an awful lot yeah it does it does 244 00:13:30,370 --> 00:13:27,260 seem rather suspicious since I hear you 245 00:13:32,620 --> 00:13:30,380 are quite a few years later and 246 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:32,630 obviously the fact that you've done the 247 00:13:39,070 --> 00:13:35,930 two of books would indicate that the the 248 00:13:42,370 --> 00:13:39,080 subject takes up a good deal of interest 249 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:42,380 in your in your life okay so you're in 250 00:13:46,629 --> 00:13:43,649 the military and you 251 00:13:51,439 --> 00:13:46,639 this sighting of a triangular shaped 252 00:13:53,749 --> 00:13:51,449 object now would you say okay well let's 253 00:13:58,069 --> 00:13:53,759 get down to brass tacks here are you a a 254 00:14:00,439 --> 00:13:58,079 follower of the ETH theory I mean do you 255 00:14:03,429 --> 00:14:00,449 think that these crafts are exit 256 00:14:06,829 --> 00:14:03,439 terrestrial or interdimensional or 257 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:06,839 supernatural or or just something that 258 00:14:13,030 --> 00:14:10,290 the government has come up with uh I 259 00:14:16,999 --> 00:14:13,040 basically think all of the above mm I 260 00:14:21,079 --> 00:14:17,009 think that most sightings that people 261 00:14:24,019 --> 00:14:21,089 see generally around the world are 262 00:14:28,030 --> 00:14:24,029 probably some secret covert crafts and 263 00:14:33,079 --> 00:14:28,040 you know unknown craft that's not seen 264 00:14:36,829 --> 00:14:33,089 like a conventional aircraft let's say I 265 00:14:39,499 --> 00:14:36,839 do think that it's the perfect cover 266 00:14:42,619 --> 00:14:39,509 story for anything that is covert 267 00:14:44,239 --> 00:14:42,629 because if it's seen by members of the 268 00:14:46,819 --> 00:14:44,249 public or somebody doesn't know what 269 00:14:50,689 --> 00:14:46,829 they're looking at you know that it may 270 00:14:53,299 --> 00:14:50,699 report a UFO to the authorities and it's 271 00:14:54,980 --> 00:14:53,309 the perfect cover story for them you 272 00:14:58,309 --> 00:14:54,990 know they don't have to explain what 273 00:15:02,210 --> 00:14:58,319 they've got and then on the other hand 274 00:15:04,610 --> 00:15:02,220 we've got et crafts visiting you know 275 00:15:07,189 --> 00:15:04,620 and people and witnesses and people 276 00:15:11,179 --> 00:15:07,199 having experiences you know all around 277 00:15:14,329 --> 00:15:11,189 the world so you know and even even down 278 00:15:16,519 --> 00:15:14,339 to that side of it the et side you've 279 00:15:18,619 --> 00:15:16,529 got crafts which are not some vaults 280 00:15:21,350 --> 00:15:18,629 type of craft but then we've got to 281 00:15:22,519 --> 00:15:21,360 start thinking outside the box where you 282 00:15:25,249 --> 00:15:22,529 know there probably are 283 00:15:29,179 --> 00:15:25,259 multi-dimensional interdimensional craft 284 00:15:31,669 --> 00:15:29,189 that are there so you know it's it's a 285 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:31,679 big field and you know a lot of subjects 286 00:15:37,669 --> 00:15:34,290 break off into a lot of subcategories 287 00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:37,679 within those okay now let's say for 288 00:15:45,730 --> 00:15:42,240 example you're you have become I hate to 289 00:15:48,889 --> 00:15:45,740 use the word expert but your your 290 00:15:52,179 --> 00:15:48,899 inkling in this field this is to do the 291 00:15:54,980 --> 00:15:52,189 photo analysis and to look at the UFO 292 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:54,990 pictures and and decide how legitimate 293 00:16:00,380 --> 00:15:57,690 they are there have been the case 294 00:16:03,910 --> 00:16:00,390 of course you realize where UFOs have 295 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:03,920 been seen visually but not picked up on 296 00:16:09,050 --> 00:16:06,330 radar there have been other cases where 297 00:16:12,260 --> 00:16:09,060 UFOs have been picked up on radar but 298 00:16:14,090 --> 00:16:12,270 they could not be seen visually there 299 00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:14,100 are any number of incidences where 300 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:16,800 people have taken photographs and saw 301 00:16:20,270 --> 00:16:18,330 nothing at the time but when their 302 00:16:21,950 --> 00:16:20,280 pictures were developed lo and behold 303 00:16:27,140 --> 00:16:21,960 there was something that could not be 304 00:16:29,750 --> 00:16:27,150 explained on the on the photographs how 305 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:29,760 did you get into the and now analyzing 306 00:16:35,300 --> 00:16:31,890 your home pictures and and what you take 307 00:16:36,890 --> 00:16:35,310 on the ability of some people perhaps to 308 00:16:39,470 --> 00:16:36,900 be able to take photographs of 309 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:39,480 legitimate UFOs I call them UFO 310 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:41,610 repeaters and other people you could 311 00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:43,170 give them you know the most expensive 312 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:44,880 camera equipment in the world they can't 313 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:48,810 pick anything up yeah did you feel yeah 314 00:16:54,650 --> 00:16:50,970 I get like an awful lot as well where 315 00:16:58,010 --> 00:16:54,660 people contact me with I analyze images 316 00:17:01,640 --> 00:16:58,020 of craft and beings and everything from 317 00:17:04,100 --> 00:17:01,650 from people all around the world and how 318 00:17:05,569 --> 00:17:04,110 do you do that I mean yeah you you're 319 00:17:06,890 --> 00:17:05,579 doing it visually or what kind of 320 00:17:10,550 --> 00:17:06,900 equipment are you using 321 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:10,560 yeah just visually really and and it's 322 00:17:15,170 --> 00:17:13,050 it's really it's a photoshop element 323 00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:15,180 really to it when you say the word 324 00:17:19,220 --> 00:17:17,520 Photoshop people get the wrong end of 325 00:17:22,460 --> 00:17:19,230 the stick sort of thing when you say 326 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:22,470 that because when I'm using the the 327 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:24,930 software to analyze photographs I'm 328 00:17:30,590 --> 00:17:27,930 using the filters and things like that 329 00:17:32,540 --> 00:17:30,600 so I can bring out the detail you know 330 00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:32,550 and and I always try and ask for the 331 00:17:38,900 --> 00:17:35,640 original photograph off anybody it sends 332 00:17:41,180 --> 00:17:38,910 me an image your footage because you 333 00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:41,190 know photographs can downgrade you know 334 00:17:47,060 --> 00:17:44,130 they can you know as they get posted or 335 00:17:50,420 --> 00:17:47,070 you know sent that the first second 336 00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:50,430 third grade of photograph are - and each 337 00:17:55,910 --> 00:17:53,360 time it will degrade as well so you get 338 00:17:59,600 --> 00:17:55,920 pixelation and things like that so you 339 00:18:02,120 --> 00:17:59,610 know this this case of the teenage boy 340 00:18:04,130 --> 00:18:02,130 Allen Smith one of the things that I 341 00:18:06,410 --> 00:18:04,140 noticed I'm sure you're familiar with 342 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:06,420 the photograph the pinwheel effect the 343 00:18:10,669 --> 00:18:08,610 whenever the photograph is printed in 344 00:18:11,490 --> 00:18:10,679 different publications it's turned in a 345 00:18:14,490 --> 00:18:11,500 different direction 346 00:18:17,490 --> 00:18:14,500 I mean there's the there there is the 347 00:18:19,860 --> 00:18:17,500 legitimate photograph and then people 348 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:19,870 have turned the objects so that the red 349 00:18:24,299 --> 00:18:22,210 part of the ship is where the blue part 350 00:18:26,159 --> 00:18:24,309 should be and it's a I don't know 351 00:18:27,750 --> 00:18:26,169 whether that's been done deliberately 352 00:18:30,090 --> 00:18:27,760 the hide the fact that lo and behold 353 00:18:33,270 --> 00:18:30,100 it's a part of this painting or or 354 00:18:34,770 --> 00:18:33,280 whether it's just something be that the 355 00:18:36,990 --> 00:18:34,780 people that are printing the photograph 356 00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:37,000 don't know what the heck they're they're 357 00:18:42,450 --> 00:18:39,520 doing I I suspect it's that more than 358 00:18:45,570 --> 00:18:42,460 anything else but let's get into the 359 00:18:49,230 --> 00:18:45,580 some of the UFO photographs which ones 360 00:18:52,140 --> 00:18:49,240 would you say that are very well known 361 00:18:55,409 --> 00:18:52,150 throughout youth logical history do you 362 00:18:58,760 --> 00:18:55,419 believe are not legitimate even though 363 00:19:01,799 --> 00:18:58,770 they have been surmised by maybe the 364 00:19:06,210 --> 00:19:01,809 mainstream ufology of being the real 365 00:19:12,630 --> 00:19:06,220 McCoy and well actually you're talking 366 00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:12,640 about the they the colorful trying to 367 00:19:19,529 --> 00:19:14,320 think of the name that's gonna have my 368 00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:19,539 head but they the actual yeah the the 369 00:19:23,010 --> 00:19:21,039 one we've just been speaking about 370 00:19:25,610 --> 00:19:23,020 they're the case where it you know the 371 00:19:28,770 --> 00:19:25,620 the young boy Allen and his father 372 00:19:32,130 --> 00:19:28,780 photograph must but actually covered 373 00:19:35,310 --> 00:19:32,140 this case in in my book where am i 374 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:35,320 analyzed it and you brought up the the I 375 00:19:43,470 --> 00:19:38,970 didn't know that it was actually in that 376 00:19:45,659 --> 00:19:43,480 painting as well that me not a new one 377 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:45,669 to me will actually get with it in the 378 00:19:52,590 --> 00:19:48,250 book where it was I analyzed it as a 379 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:52,600 Christmas tree decoration so it was the 380 00:19:58,980 --> 00:19:55,090 top of the Christmas tree you know the 381 00:20:01,980 --> 00:19:58,990 lighting it's an old mechanism but you 382 00:20:05,250 --> 00:20:01,990 know that many different photographs out 383 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:05,260 there I mean people are obviously I get 384 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:08,530 daily people sending me photographs from 385 00:20:13,620 --> 00:20:11,289 all around the world and you know most 386 00:20:15,930 --> 00:20:13,630 of the time there are actually birds or 387 00:20:18,659 --> 00:20:15,940 aircraft or weather phenomenon you know 388 00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:18,669 and you'd really got to get in there you 389 00:20:22,730 --> 00:20:20,559 know like a Sherlock Holmes type of 390 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:22,740 thing investigation trying to find out 391 00:20:30,100 --> 00:20:24,650 you know 392 00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:30,110 around at the time so whether it's if it 393 00:20:35,980 --> 00:20:33,200 is an aircraft are their airports local 394 00:20:39,070 --> 00:20:35,990 other you know military bases local 395 00:20:39,850 --> 00:20:39,080 things like that so what well I've got 396 00:20:44,530 --> 00:20:39,860 one for you 397 00:20:48,370 --> 00:20:44,540 the Templeton space man I was that need 398 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:48,380 the Solway Firth yeah yes the the the 399 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:51,770 young girl with the yeah the year the 400 00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:53,930 arrow the so called the alien and the 401 00:20:58,930 --> 00:20:56,000 spacesuit standing behind her when 402 00:21:01,000 --> 00:20:58,940 nobody was seen very famous picture It's 403 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:01,010 Made around so what since the nineteen 404 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:03,730 sixties that's a yeah I'm actually 405 00:21:10,780 --> 00:21:06,650 giving it my first public talk in 406 00:21:13,299 --> 00:21:10,790 November next week in a conference 407 00:21:16,030 --> 00:21:13,309 called lapis in Blackpool and I'm 408 00:21:19,419 --> 00:21:16,040 actually going to cover this case in my 409 00:21:21,070 --> 00:21:19,429 talk and I actually analyze this for the 410 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:21,080 outer limits magazine where I've 411 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:26,090 actually did an article for it and when 412 00:21:31,090 --> 00:21:28,010 I actually analyzed the photographs in 413 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:31,100 more detail it's actually his wife at 414 00:21:36,730 --> 00:21:33,410 standing behind yeah I think his 415 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:36,740 daughters called Elizabeth and if you 416 00:21:42,310 --> 00:21:38,690 actually go into more depth and actually 417 00:21:44,980 --> 00:21:42,320 applied the the footage to it and they 418 00:21:47,650 --> 00:21:44,990 you know the filters you can actually 419 00:21:50,820 --> 00:21:47,660 see that it's it's his wife is standing 420 00:21:53,230 --> 00:21:50,830 behind and she's wearing a blue dress 421 00:21:56,380 --> 00:21:53,240 because one of the other photographs 422 00:21:58,600 --> 00:21:56,390 that isn't normally seen where you can 423 00:22:01,360 --> 00:21:58,610 see his wife kneeling down with the 424 00:22:04,210 --> 00:22:01,370 daughter she's wearing the blue dress a 425 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:04,220 short sleeve blue dress so they're you 426 00:22:09,940 --> 00:22:07,370 know pretty much identical when you when 427 00:22:13,150 --> 00:22:09,950 I went into depth on that and also the 428 00:22:15,850 --> 00:22:13,160 camera that was used by mr. Templeton I 429 00:22:18,669 --> 00:22:15,860 think was Jim Templeton he actually took 430 00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:18,679 the photograph but on this actual model 431 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:20,240 of camera 432 00:22:25,060 --> 00:22:23,330 there's no viewfinder so it was a basic 433 00:22:27,580 --> 00:22:25,070 point and shoot and take your 434 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:27,590 photographic yeah you have a camera with 435 00:22:34,169 --> 00:22:30,170 no viewfinder yeah they did this one 436 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:34,179 didn't it was a basic point and you know 437 00:22:41,140 --> 00:22:38,210 what anyway so what how come it looks 438 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:41,150 like this person has a spacesuit on or a 439 00:22:47,980 --> 00:22:45,050 helmet I think it's basically the the 440 00:22:49,780 --> 00:22:47,990 the camera angle and the light in that 441 00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:49,790 actually put it that so when you apply 442 00:22:53,650 --> 00:22:51,830 the filters you can see that it's a 443 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:53,660 dress you can see the short sleeve on 444 00:22:58,990 --> 00:22:56,090 the arm and it's the back of their head 445 00:22:59,770 --> 00:22:59,000 as well oh my goodness well there you 446 00:23:01,780 --> 00:22:59,780 there you go 447 00:23:05,230 --> 00:23:01,790 I've heard the explanation that it was a 448 00:23:08,170 --> 00:23:05,240 beekeeper that was the one that I think 449 00:23:10,420 --> 00:23:08,180 that that pops up from from time to time 450 00:23:13,420 --> 00:23:10,430 well there there you go that one has 451 00:23:18,850 --> 00:23:13,430 been explained how about MA in part 452 00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:18,860 Frank I think that was an authentic case 453 00:23:24,970 --> 00:23:21,590 just for the fact of the photographs and 454 00:23:28,270 --> 00:23:24,980 the distance you know that it was 455 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:28,280 covered itself in a UFO a folklore isn't 456 00:23:34,060 --> 00:23:30,050 it you know one of those the old 457 00:23:37,210 --> 00:23:34,070 photographs yes from a distance and if 458 00:23:39,550 --> 00:23:37,220 you look at the photographs I covered 459 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:39,560 this case as well it in the where I've 460 00:23:46,270 --> 00:23:42,890 actually overlaid the photographs to 461 00:23:48,070 --> 00:23:46,280 separate that proves that the objects 462 00:23:49,690 --> 00:23:48,080 actually moved if you can know if you 463 00:23:52,090 --> 00:23:49,700 have more than one image and you can 464 00:23:54,700 --> 00:23:52,100 actually overlay them it's great you 465 00:23:56,620 --> 00:23:54,710 know all right we need interruptive here 466 00:23:58,810 --> 00:23:56,630 because we have about 30 seconds before 467 00:24:00,280 --> 00:23:58,820 we go to our bottom of the hour break so 468 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:00,290 when we come back we'll continue our 469 00:24:12,369 --> 00:24:02,450 conversation with Jason glues on 470 00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:16,519 now back to exploring the bazaar with 471 00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:19,110 two of the most electrifying researchers 472 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:22,110 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy 473 00:24:28,999 --> 00:24:27,330 Bakula and chase lists alright welcome 474 00:24:31,999 --> 00:24:29,009 back to exploring the bazaar I'm Tim 475 00:24:34,940 --> 00:24:32,009 Schwarz tonight our guest is Jason 476 00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:34,950 Gleaves who's the author of the books 477 00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:39,360 UFO photo and his most recent the UF 478 00:24:51,019 --> 00:24:45,929 ology umbrella so keeping with the the 479 00:24:55,899 --> 00:24:51,029 whole UFO photo analyzing I see that you 480 00:25:01,369 --> 00:24:55,909 you tackled one of the you know older 481 00:25:04,669 --> 00:25:01,379 UFO photographs with the the object over 482 00:25:08,629 --> 00:25:04,679 Los Angeles back in the early 1940s with 483 00:25:10,090 --> 00:25:08,639 the series of wartime searchlights on it 484 00:25:17,180 --> 00:25:10,100 now 485 00:25:21,529 --> 00:25:17,190 were you using a newsprint photo or did 486 00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:21,539 you have access to either original or at 487 00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:24,779 least a better print then newsprint I 488 00:25:30,729 --> 00:25:27,600 think I managed to find the the best 489 00:25:34,729 --> 00:25:30,739 print I could find hate I know 490 00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:34,739 high-definition quality and and again 491 00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:37,679 most people have seen this this image 492 00:25:45,169 --> 00:25:39,720 where you've got the spotlight on the 493 00:25:47,450 --> 00:25:45,179 object over Los Angeles during 1942 and 494 00:25:52,249 --> 00:25:47,460 it's basically just illuminated this 495 00:25:54,499 --> 00:25:52,259 huge probably a disc-shaped object or 496 00:25:56,779 --> 00:25:54,509 something similar and you can see the 497 00:25:59,629 --> 00:25:56,789 searchlights on there and you can see 498 00:26:02,269 --> 00:25:59,639 the artillery shells exploding around it 499 00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:02,279 because they were fire upon this thing 500 00:26:10,779 --> 00:26:06,179 all night but when I actually analyze 501 00:26:15,700 --> 00:26:10,789 the image I had in more depth and detail 502 00:26:18,529 --> 00:26:15,710 you know the detail I came out in this 503 00:26:21,820 --> 00:26:18,539 what the actual object look like was 504 00:26:26,889 --> 00:26:21,830 quite remarkable really 505 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:26,899 and how difficult was it to try to pull 506 00:26:30,539 --> 00:26:29,210 any detail out of this photograph 507 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:30,549 because I've been with all the 508 00:26:35,769 --> 00:26:32,809 searchlights on this object I mean it's 509 00:26:38,019 --> 00:26:35,779 just completely blown out to the naked 510 00:26:40,899 --> 00:26:38,029 eye it just looks like just it's nothing 511 00:26:43,299 --> 00:26:40,909 but white yeah yeah it does it does look 512 00:26:45,399 --> 00:26:43,309 I mean a lot of these photographs that 513 00:26:47,499 --> 00:26:45,409 there is a lot more detail in there it's 514 00:26:49,989 --> 00:26:47,509 just you've got to use the filters you 515 00:26:52,810 --> 00:26:49,999 know on and like we said before with the 516 00:26:55,149 --> 00:26:52,820 Photoshop is to get in there and use the 517 00:26:57,489 --> 00:26:55,159 filters so you're not actually changing 518 00:27:02,680 --> 00:26:57,499 the photograph as such you just bringing 519 00:27:04,299 --> 00:27:02,690 out the detail but it was you know you 520 00:27:06,999 --> 00:27:04,309 can see and I don't know if you can see 521 00:27:09,489 --> 00:27:07,009 an image that was brought out and the 522 00:27:12,399 --> 00:27:09,499 detail in it it just looks something 523 00:27:15,310 --> 00:27:12,409 nothing like we had at the time or and 524 00:27:19,570 --> 00:27:15,320 you got to remember that when this 525 00:27:21,399 --> 00:27:19,580 incident happened in 1942 the US had 526 00:27:25,539 --> 00:27:21,409 literally only been in the second world 527 00:27:27,129 --> 00:27:25,549 war for about about three months so they 528 00:27:30,009 --> 00:27:27,139 thought they were being attacked by the 529 00:27:34,869 --> 00:27:30,019 German Luftwaffe or the Japanese air 530 00:27:39,999 --> 00:27:34,879 force as Steven Spielberg did an entire 531 00:27:41,859 --> 00:27:40,009 movie on that event called 1942 they 532 00:27:46,869 --> 00:27:41,869 didn't covered they didn't go with the 533 00:27:51,580 --> 00:27:46,879 UFO angle but that's that's what that 534 00:27:54,430 --> 00:27:51,590 movie was about so with with all of the 535 00:27:57,099 --> 00:27:54,440 photographs that that you have analyzed 536 00:28:03,099 --> 00:27:57,109 you know can you can you think of one or 537 00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:03,109 two that you went into it possibly with 538 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:05,809 one idea in mind and then you know 539 00:28:11,769 --> 00:28:07,970 you're just completely surprised by what 540 00:28:14,139 --> 00:28:11,779 you're actually found out and one in 541 00:28:18,220 --> 00:28:14,149 particular again I'm going to show this 542 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:18,230 in my talk is it's an old UFO photograph 543 00:28:24,099 --> 00:28:20,330 you've probably seen it yourself it was 544 00:28:27,549 --> 00:28:24,109 taken by the astronauts of Apollo 12 on 545 00:28:33,629 --> 00:28:27,559 the way to the moon and it's of like a 546 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:33,639 large elliptical shaped UFO I've seen it 547 00:28:38,769 --> 00:28:35,690 being brought up in 548 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:38,779 walks by other people and saying that it 549 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:43,370 was a legit UFO photograph and really 550 00:28:48,850 --> 00:28:46,730 you know I I personally need to get in 551 00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:48,860 and look at these images myself before I 552 00:28:55,899 --> 00:28:52,159 actually believe they are going to be 553 00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:55,909 legit or not so anyway so I went in it's 554 00:29:02,710 --> 00:28:59,120 it's it was identified as being taken by 555 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:02,720 the Kree with the Apollo 12 and when 556 00:29:07,779 --> 00:29:04,970 actually got into more depth the actual 557 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:07,789 original NASA number that was published 558 00:29:13,899 --> 00:29:10,970 to this photograph when I brought up the 559 00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:13,909 original through the archives through 560 00:29:20,649 --> 00:29:18,169 the NASA archives this UFO was not in 561 00:29:22,990 --> 00:29:20,659 shot at all it was completely something 562 00:29:26,289 --> 00:29:23,000 different and I thought well you know 563 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:26,299 it's not this so then I started looking 564 00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:28,490 in more depth going through the actual 565 00:29:34,769 --> 00:29:32,330 segments of photographs and actually 566 00:29:38,049 --> 00:29:34,779 found the original 567 00:29:40,269 --> 00:29:38,059 you know photograph NASA photograph 568 00:29:42,190 --> 00:29:40,279 which was a completely different number 569 00:29:44,379 --> 00:29:42,200 now whether that was deliberately put 570 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:44,389 there to put you off the scent I don't 571 00:29:50,529 --> 00:29:47,690 know but long story short when I found 572 00:29:53,769 --> 00:29:50,539 the photograph it was actually part of 573 00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:53,779 the third stage of the rocket itself 574 00:30:00,340 --> 00:29:57,919 which was just a funny angle pointing 575 00:30:02,470 --> 00:30:00,350 towards the Sun so if you can see the 576 00:30:04,509 --> 00:30:02,480 photograph I wish I could show you there 577 00:30:08,769 --> 00:30:04,519 it's actually you can see in the 578 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:08,779 distance is the the same position and 579 00:30:14,980 --> 00:30:12,289 everything of this UFO so I just did a 580 00:30:17,710 --> 00:30:14,990 basic overlay of getting all the the 581 00:30:20,529 --> 00:30:17,720 images the original image the UFO image 582 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:20,539 and just overlaid them and it was a 583 00:30:29,139 --> 00:30:25,850 perfect match hmm that's that that's 584 00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:29,149 good I know exactly what what photograph 585 00:30:34,629 --> 00:30:32,720 you're talking about and just to let our 586 00:30:36,220 --> 00:30:34,639 audience know what's again what are you 587 00:30:39,450 --> 00:30:36,230 going to be when and where are you going 588 00:30:43,259 --> 00:30:39,460 to be giving this talk this will be it 589 00:30:46,690 --> 00:30:43,269 UFO conference called lapis and that's 590 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:46,700 it's going to be in st. Ann's near Black 591 00:30:56,500 --> 00:30:48,890 Pearl in the UK and 592 00:31:02,919 --> 00:30:56,510 so the 9th and 10th of November you know 593 00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:02,929 I had a sighting over Starr Hill in 594 00:31:07,810 --> 00:31:05,540 Warminster I'm sure you're familiar with 595 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:07,820 the slap that took place there for 596 00:31:13,390 --> 00:31:11,570 probably in close to a decade there was 597 00:31:17,140 --> 00:31:13,400 a fellow there who I met him since 598 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:17,150 deceased a retired RAF pilot by the name 599 00:31:25,690 --> 00:31:21,770 of Bob strong this fellow had a huge 600 00:31:28,390 --> 00:31:25,700 library of scrapbooks of UFO photos that 601 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:28,400 he had taken and that other people had 602 00:31:34,210 --> 00:31:31,090 taken as well he would eat mounted a 603 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:34,220 camera on a tripod on top of his car and 604 00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,890 and took these photographs and they to 605 00:31:41,470 --> 00:31:38,720 me they show some very very remarkable 606 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:41,480 things yeah now some of them were 607 00:31:49,030 --> 00:31:44,450 published in Arthur shuttle with books 608 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:49,040 and in our reprint of UFO prophecy which 609 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:51,410 we came out with a 50th anniversary 610 00:31:56,830 --> 00:31:55,130 edition of not too long ago and of 611 00:31:58,740 --> 00:31:56,840 course there many people who insist that 612 00:32:01,330 --> 00:31:58,750 some very strange things were happening 613 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:01,340 over a cradle and Star Hill 614 00:32:07,030 --> 00:32:04,250 did you ever see or analyze any of the 615 00:32:08,919 --> 00:32:07,040 photographs that bob strong took no I 616 00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:08,929 didn't but now you've mentioned him al 617 00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:11,200 I'll certainly be going down that Avenue 618 00:32:18,789 --> 00:32:14,900 well you know it's it's unfortunate that 619 00:32:21,460 --> 00:32:18,799 he had a scrapbook would hunt maybe a 620 00:32:23,140 --> 00:32:21,470 hundred photographs if not more but he 621 00:32:24,970 --> 00:32:23,150 was such a nice guy that he would lend 622 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:24,980 them the people who said oh they just 623 00:32:29,770 --> 00:32:27,130 wanted to make copies and they would 624 00:32:33,130 --> 00:32:29,780 return the original storm and most of 625 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:33,140 them he never got back no tear yeah to 626 00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:37,130 shine I had this opportunity I was with 627 00:32:42,100 --> 00:32:38,750 the shuttle would that before he passed 628 00:32:45,070 --> 00:32:42,110 away and we're out in the near the field 629 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:45,080 near the famous gate there and we saw 630 00:32:49,570 --> 00:32:47,570 this object up in the sky and he said 631 00:32:51,580 --> 00:32:49,580 let's see if we can make contact with it 632 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:51,590 now I wasn't sure what it was but it 633 00:32:56,049 --> 00:32:54,770 certainly was no streetlight there were 634 00:32:59,950 --> 00:32:56,059 no streetlights there there were in the 635 00:33:02,870 --> 00:32:59,960 hall and no houses there the moon it was 636 00:33:04,700 --> 00:33:02,880 kind of a hazy anyway he got 637 00:33:08,299 --> 00:33:04,710 went to the trunk of his car got out 638 00:33:10,639 --> 00:33:08,309 this big torchlight started blinking it 639 00:33:13,220 --> 00:33:10,649 at the object now neither one of us knew 640 00:33:16,129 --> 00:33:13,230 Morse code but every time we would 641 00:33:18,499 --> 00:33:16,139 attempt to a signal let's say single the 642 00:33:21,139 --> 00:33:18,509 craft it would seem to maneuver in the 643 00:33:24,740 --> 00:33:21,149 sky kind of swaying back and forth now 644 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:24,750 it wasn't an illusion or was it an 645 00:33:29,690 --> 00:33:26,850 attempt to respond to our trying to 646 00:33:31,430 --> 00:33:29,700 communicate with it and he claimed that 647 00:33:33,799 --> 00:33:31,440 this happened on a regular basis that 648 00:33:36,740 --> 00:33:33,809 they were actually able to establish 649 00:33:40,249 --> 00:33:36,750 some contact now another interesting 650 00:33:42,259 --> 00:33:40,259 thing happened and this is posted on my 651 00:33:44,860 --> 00:33:42,269 Facebook page and a couple of our books 652 00:33:47,810 --> 00:33:44,870 there were two visitors from Scotland 653 00:33:49,340 --> 00:33:47,820 their husband and my feet gentleman was 654 00:33:51,259 --> 00:33:49,350 not interested in the subject but the 655 00:33:53,539 --> 00:33:51,269 woman was she wanted to come and have a 656 00:33:55,399 --> 00:33:53,549 sky watch and she was tickled pink here 657 00:33:57,619 --> 00:33:55,409 she met Ted and beckley from New York 658 00:33:59,810 --> 00:33:57,629 and Arthur a shuttle would whose book 659 00:34:02,779 --> 00:33:59,820 she had the read and in the complete 660 00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:02,789 blackness utter blackness I tell you I 661 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:05,100 took a photograph of them and if you see 662 00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:08,010 the photograph it's Bob strong and a 663 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:10,649 lady and they're totally blurred man I I 664 00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:12,810 mean cuz I couldn't say I couldn't see 665 00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:14,159 it's the middle of night there's no 666 00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:16,770 there's no lights or anything there but 667 00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:19,740 when I developed the photograph which I 668 00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:21,929 think was a color slide there in the 669 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:23,760 back of Bob strong and the lady from 670 00:34:28,849 --> 00:34:27,450 Scotland are several objects zigzagging 671 00:34:31,339 --> 00:34:28,859 out of the sky 672 00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:31,349 very similar to what Betty Hill would 673 00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:33,179 have taken on some of the photographs 674 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:35,730 near the the train track I don't know if 675 00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:37,530 she was familiar with them but she 676 00:34:42,379 --> 00:34:40,619 claimed that they were UFOs and other 677 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:42,389 people said no man she was just taking 678 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:44,250 photographs and dribbling the camera or 679 00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,169 something which I guess could you know 680 00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:48,240 happened but that's you know a 681 00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:51,720 photograph that I can't explain in my 682 00:34:57,069 --> 00:34:55,200 own legacy how about Billy mired now 683 00:35:00,260 --> 00:34:57,079 there's a controversial figure of a 684 00:35:03,620 --> 00:35:00,270 fellow I consider him a cult leader more 685 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:03,630 than a legitimate UFO researcher but 686 00:35:09,770 --> 00:35:07,890 he's got all these videos and Seana and 687 00:35:12,620 --> 00:35:09,780 I guess 8 millimeter film and a lot of 688 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:12,630 still pictures that look very suspect to 689 00:35:18,780 --> 00:35:16,810 me what you say and yeah you 690 00:35:22,110 --> 00:35:18,790 no you that you can actually look at 691 00:35:24,990 --> 00:35:22,120 certain images and think yet suspect or 692 00:35:28,110 --> 00:35:25,000 you know how is that done how's that 693 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:28,120 achieved but I do believe a lot of his 694 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:32,290 earlier especially is earlier images and 695 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:36,310 footage they look authentic to me you 696 00:35:40,470 --> 00:35:38,050 know and our actually gone into a little 697 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:40,480 more depth and and tried to you know 698 00:35:46,050 --> 00:35:43,330 fathom out how it could be done and and 699 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:46,060 I can't really come to a conclusion as 700 00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,810 such to that but you know for the 701 00:35:54,750 --> 00:35:52,000 distance away that some of them have 702 00:35:57,720 --> 00:35:54,760 been taken you know it's it's impossible 703 00:35:59,910 --> 00:35:57,730 to actually get them suspended as such 704 00:36:01,380 --> 00:35:59,920 you know where you know and you'll go 705 00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:01,390 out and then there's others where he's 706 00:36:08,130 --> 00:36:05,920 in shorties taking footage film video 707 00:36:10,980 --> 00:36:08,140 footage I think it was eight mil or 708 00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:10,990 something at the time Annie up she walks 709 00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:14,080 into shot himself and the objects in the 710 00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:15,820 distance and then he walked back out 711 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:19,750 shot you know so there's a lot of people 712 00:36:23,820 --> 00:36:21,970 it's one of those people sit on the 713 00:36:27,540 --> 00:36:23,830 fence with it and other people will 714 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:27,550 actually say yes or no or you know it 715 00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:29,530 that's that's the beauty of ufology 716 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:31,240 isn't it you know everyone's got an 717 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:34,330 opinion to to what they're seeing or you 718 00:36:40,260 --> 00:36:36,010 know especially imagery 719 00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:40,270 I remember what one time I asked I went 720 00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:43,150 into it when I was publishing a UFO 721 00:36:47,310 --> 00:36:45,640 universe which was on naturally 722 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:47,320 distributed on newsstands here and in 723 00:36:54,090 --> 00:36:51,130 Europe as well I asked the news dealer 724 00:36:56,430 --> 00:36:54,100 if he was carrying the magazines and he 725 00:36:59,310 --> 00:36:56,440 said well no I wouldn't carry that what 726 00:37:01,050 --> 00:36:59,320 could you possibly say about UFOs and I 727 00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,060 thought to myself well what can't you 728 00:37:07,530 --> 00:37:03,760 say about them you know anything that 729 00:37:13,950 --> 00:37:07,540 you can possibly imagine or dream of you 730 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:13,960 you can work your own theories or what 731 00:37:19,230 --> 00:37:17,050 to kind of Handa your own idea you know 732 00:37:22,860 --> 00:37:19,240 I mean there's no there's no end to 733 00:37:25,470 --> 00:37:22,870 explanations no no I mean before when 734 00:37:29,220 --> 00:37:25,480 you said about people interacting with 735 00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:29,230 UFOs and and that type of thing I do a 736 00:37:33,569 --> 00:37:30,400 lot of work for Jane 737 00:37:37,410 --> 00:37:33,579 Gilliland at the seti ranch and Peter 738 00:37:39,660 --> 00:37:37,420 Maxwell Slattery Z SETI Australia and 739 00:37:42,809 --> 00:37:39,670 they go out to Mount Adams which is you 740 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:42,819 know a UFO hotspot and they get crafts 741 00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:44,170 that are coming over there I've got 742 00:37:50,910 --> 00:37:47,529 footage where they're coming over and 743 00:37:53,279 --> 00:37:50,920 the ship's actually interact with people 744 00:37:55,769 --> 00:37:53,289 they've got the laser pens up you know 745 00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,779 you know if you're anyone's ever doing a 746 00:38:00,690 --> 00:37:57,520 sky watch is such you know you should 747 00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:00,700 never shoot a laser pen at an object but 748 00:38:06,329 --> 00:38:03,190 they use them to circle and people can 749 00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:06,339 see what they're looking at but you know 750 00:38:11,069 --> 00:38:08,470 you can see these craft coming in or 751 00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:11,079 object coming in or whatever you want to 752 00:38:16,380 --> 00:38:13,750 say they are and you can see them 753 00:38:19,470 --> 00:38:16,390 powering up you know interacting with 754 00:38:21,630 --> 00:38:19,480 the people on the you know we're 755 00:38:24,990 --> 00:38:21,640 actually in the sky watch observe in 756 00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:25,000 these things now what you would you talk 757 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:29,760 about interacting with people is is this 758 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:33,490 partially your your thesis for your 759 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:38,410 latest book the UFO G umbrella well yet 760 00:38:45,269 --> 00:38:41,010 because that's its Close Encounters but 761 00:38:49,289 --> 00:38:45,279 the real I actually set up with the 762 00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:49,299 Facebook page UF only and it really that 763 00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:51,849 came about because I was digging into my 764 00:38:57,210 --> 00:38:54,220 own journey of finding out you know what 765 00:39:00,349 --> 00:38:57,220 was happening to myself and experiences 766 00:39:02,970 --> 00:39:00,359 and and interest in UF l a-- g and 767 00:39:06,299 --> 00:39:02,980 basically building on from there and 768 00:39:09,029 --> 00:39:06,309 then i oxi approached philip about 769 00:39:12,059 --> 00:39:09,039 booked and then we brought out the the 770 00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:12,069 first book the UFO photo where i've 771 00:39:18,269 --> 00:39:15,849 started to analyze images where through 772 00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:18,279 the facebook page and everything where 773 00:39:22,650 --> 00:39:21,160 people will contact me so it sort of 774 00:39:26,279 --> 00:39:22,660 grew from there really 775 00:39:28,339 --> 00:39:26,289 and then the second book well the first 776 00:39:32,549 --> 00:39:28,349 book anyway i wanted it to be like a 777 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:32,559 sort of DIY for people in ufos you were 778 00:39:37,410 --> 00:39:35,770 just starting out in UF ology and wanted 779 00:39:41,370 --> 00:39:37,420 to get to grips of what they were 780 00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:41,380 looking at basic you know accounts and 781 00:39:47,310 --> 00:39:44,020 sightings and then trying to explain 782 00:39:49,290 --> 00:39:47,320 the electromagnetic spectrum of light so 783 00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:49,300 the where people can only see in a 784 00:39:54,060 --> 00:39:51,040 certain spectrum of light they can't see 785 00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,070 ultraviolet and radio waves and 786 00:40:00,060 --> 00:39:56,800 microwaves and x-rays so you know try to 787 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:00,070 explain that sort of thing and then how 788 00:40:05,310 --> 00:40:02,290 I actually analyzed the photographs and 789 00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:05,320 then you know it basically a DIY getting 790 00:40:11,250 --> 00:40:08,470 in there you know because when I started 791 00:40:14,730 --> 00:40:11,260 it you you haven't to find things out 792 00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:14,740 yourself the internet was in its infancy 793 00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:17,800 so you you really had to go for books in 794 00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:21,760 libraries and magazines etc and then the 795 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:25,630 second book was a more in-depth version 796 00:40:31,170 --> 00:40:27,730 of the first book but it was going to 797 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:31,180 the close encounter side where you know 798 00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:34,090 there most people don't say most people 799 00:40:37,890 --> 00:40:35,800 but a lot of people probably don't 800 00:40:39,810 --> 00:40:37,900 realize that there are so many different 801 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:39,820 categories of Close Encounters 802 00:40:46,590 --> 00:40:43,210 because again you know you get into the 803 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:46,600 first where there was only close 804 00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:48,730 encounter of the first and second kind 805 00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:51,250 and then the third can came in really 806 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:53,650 when they you know roundabout when the 807 00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,930 film was done by Steven Spielberg Close 808 00:41:02,790 --> 00:40:58,240 Encounters of the Third Kind and there 809 00:41:05,849 --> 00:41:02,800 dr. Hynek was involved with all that and 810 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:05,859 he only really wanted one to when he he 811 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:07,690 was reluctant to being the third out 812 00:41:14,010 --> 00:41:10,450 anyway but there are actually seven 813 00:41:16,170 --> 00:41:14,020 categories in total which a you know of 814 00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,180 come on with obviously all the things 815 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:18,240 that have happened in UF ology from 816 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:21,130 animal mutilations you know that type of 817 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:24,850 thing so yeah it's really that was the 818 00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:28,410 second book was a lead on from the first 819 00:41:33,710 --> 00:41:31,330 well that's the best thing about the UFO 820 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:33,720 phenomenon I mean we've talked you know 821 00:41:43,050 --> 00:41:40,210 mostly tonight about photographs but as 822 00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:43,060 you well know I'll be talking to people 823 00:41:52,380 --> 00:41:48,250 over the years the the UFO phenomena the 824 00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:52,390 way that it interacts and affects the 825 00:42:00,990 --> 00:41:57,760 witnesses seems to go way beyond 826 00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:01,000 the the physical attributes that that 827 00:42:06,510 --> 00:42:03,190 we've been with that we've been talking 828 00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:06,520 about yeah yeah definitely because you 829 00:42:12,540 --> 00:42:09,760 know you've got sightings you know and 830 00:42:15,630 --> 00:42:12,550 you know people having visual sightings 831 00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:15,640 and then they can extend to interactions 832 00:42:21,570 --> 00:42:19,180 with craft multiple sightings more 833 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:21,580 people seeing things then you've got you 834 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:24,850 know obviously the human abduction side 835 00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:27,970 so people have been taken and you know 836 00:42:34,650 --> 00:42:29,920 lots of things like that you know you've 837 00:42:36,570 --> 00:42:34,660 got other things with sleep status so 838 00:42:40,380 --> 00:42:36,580 you know people are having interactions 839 00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:40,390 with them through the being could be on 840 00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:42,220 a craft and you could be in you bed 841 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:45,520 asleep and having an interaction you 842 00:42:54,540 --> 00:42:50,610 know you've got obviously we're you know 843 00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:54,550 inhabitants or UFOs or actually causing 844 00:42:59,300 --> 00:42:57,250 death or injury to humans there's that 845 00:43:05,730 --> 00:42:59,310 side and then probably the most 846 00:43:07,650 --> 00:43:05,740 controversial of all is c7 which is the 847 00:43:10,310 --> 00:43:07,660 sexual intercourse artificial 848 00:43:13,590 --> 00:43:10,320 insemination so you're talking high 849 00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:13,600 we've got a book on that it's screwed by 850 00:43:21,330 --> 00:43:18,609 the aliens before hunter paid with the 851 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:21,340 research from a lot of independent 852 00:43:26,810 --> 00:43:23,770 sources going back you know through 853 00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:26,820 history the cases in occultism of this 854 00:43:31,770 --> 00:43:30,160 tsukuba sand the Incubus and of course 855 00:43:34,290 --> 00:43:31,780 with the people being taken the 856 00:43:36,330 --> 00:43:34,300 underground their bases and people have 857 00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:36,340 being abducted and molested in their in 858 00:43:41,070 --> 00:43:39,369 their bedrooms you know and and you you 859 00:43:43,740 --> 00:43:41,080 tend to want to say well this is 860 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:43,750 absolutely crazy but some of them have 861 00:43:48,510 --> 00:43:46,090 come back with the you know scars on 862 00:43:52,140 --> 00:43:48,520 their body and evidences of miscarriage 863 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:52,150 and so forth yeah yeah I mean there was 864 00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,210 a case again I covered that in the book 865 00:44:01,410 --> 00:43:57,280 where people have had marks or left on 866 00:44:05,090 --> 00:44:01,420 the bodies and he basically was in 867 00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:05,100 Hungary it was a case in Hungary where 868 00:44:11,340 --> 00:44:08,940 the lady an old lady lived in a village 869 00:44:14,190 --> 00:44:11,350 where they didn't have 870 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:14,200 like telephone communication most people 871 00:44:20,130 --> 00:44:17,290 stayed within their village and this 872 00:44:23,700 --> 00:44:20,140 lady had a mark on her arm like a target 873 00:44:27,870 --> 00:44:23,710 mark that was left on her arm long story 874 00:44:31,410 --> 00:44:27,880 short in the next village along somebody 875 00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:31,420 else it had the same actual mark on her 876 00:44:36,990 --> 00:44:35,200 arm left on her arm so you know it's you 877 00:44:40,740 --> 00:44:37,000 know things like that and people Gavin 878 00:44:43,230 --> 00:44:40,750 gouge marks and other things left on 879 00:44:48,990 --> 00:44:43,240 their on their body you know from a 880 00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,000 possible encounter of such so now Jason 881 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:52,240 if people want to find out more about 882 00:44:59,270 --> 00:44:55,650 you why don't you tell us where they can 883 00:45:01,920 --> 00:44:59,280 find your books and you mentioned a a 884 00:45:04,170 --> 00:45:01,930 Facebook page why don't you tell us 885 00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:04,180 where they can find that as well yeah 886 00:45:13,020 --> 00:45:08,560 well I've got a Facebook page it's on 887 00:45:15,510 --> 00:45:13,030 it's called UF only and basically covers 888 00:45:18,300 --> 00:45:15,520 anything like this so you can contact me 889 00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:18,310 via that if you need to run a report a 890 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:21,400 sighting or you want help analyzing 891 00:45:26,940 --> 00:45:24,970 images or you know an experience as such 892 00:45:28,110 --> 00:45:26,950 you know if I can't help you I can 893 00:45:31,980 --> 00:45:28,120 certainly point you in the right 894 00:45:35,790 --> 00:45:31,990 direction for somebody in UF ology I'm a 895 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:35,800 two books UFO photo which is the first 896 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:39,130 book and the second book the UFO G 897 00:45:44,820 --> 00:45:41,050 umbrella they're both available on 898 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:44,830 Amazon and through Philip Mantle's 899 00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:47,410 publishing company a flying disc press 900 00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:51,910 and are you currently working on a on a 901 00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:53,710 third one or thinking about it at least 902 00:46:01,080 --> 00:45:57,040 I'm yet I'm always thinking of the third 903 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:01,090 one and then I've got to ask a UF only 904 00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:03,610 fake a youtube channel as well where 905 00:46:09,390 --> 00:46:05,970 there's a lot of videos I've started my 906 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:09,400 documentary what's the YouTube camera 907 00:46:17,090 --> 00:46:11,890 it's this under the same name so if you 908 00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:21,420 right yeah that's it right on and I mean 909 00:46:27,290 --> 00:46:24,960 basically that really came about because 910 00:46:31,579 --> 00:46:27,300 the amount of footage I was analyzing 911 00:46:34,329 --> 00:46:31,589 for people and analyzing myself it was 912 00:46:39,740 --> 00:46:34,339 too big to put on Facebook's or how to 913 00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:39,750 generate a YouTube channel or over there 914 00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:43,680 looking at the UFO League they can stop 915 00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:47,910 by and see the edited their version of 916 00:46:53,089 --> 00:46:50,310 this with some of the photographs that 917 00:46:56,780 --> 00:46:53,099 we've talked about that Mister UFOs 918 00:47:00,890 --> 00:46:56,790 secret files and I think we're coming up 919 00:47:03,650 --> 00:47:00,900 close to the bewitching hour here at Tim 920 00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:03,660 and I know you want some yeah yeah I 921 00:47:07,660 --> 00:47:05,369 know you want to go back and work on our 922 00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:07,670 next book which is going to be called 923 00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:10,530 incredible encounters and that's gonna 924 00:47:15,460 --> 00:47:12,540 be a huge one I did we know it's over 925 00:47:18,829 --> 00:47:15,470 350 you paid as a chock full of 926 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:18,839 worldwide UFO not just reports but 927 00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:21,330 aliens and creatures and little men and 928 00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:23,849 big men and giants and invisible 929 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:26,520 entities and my god there's so much in 930 00:47:31,940 --> 00:47:29,490 that book guy I can't even tell you all 931 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:31,950 about it but you'll learn before the 932 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:33,330 holiday because that'll be our next 933 00:47:40,910 --> 00:47:36,330 title out and I want to thank I guess 934 00:47:44,829 --> 00:47:40,920 this evening very well informed on the 935 00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:44,839 UFOs and on UFO analysis of pictures and 936 00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:47,760 some of whom some of which we agree on 937 00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:50,430 and so which we don't and Tim I want to 938 00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:52,740 thank you again for heading the 939 00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:55,520 discussion and Tina our producer and 940 00:48:00,500 --> 00:47:58,410 Carol my associate and Helen and all 941 00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:00,510 Peter and all the people that keep this 942 00:48:12,140 --> 00:48:03,089 going every week and don't forget to 943 00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:14,390 you've been listening to exploring the 944 00:48:21,110 --> 00:48:17,850 bazaar with hosts Timothy Becky 945 00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:21,120 panting Swartz they're taking back the 946 00:48:25,970 --> 00:48:23,430 night by jetting non-stop across the 947 00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:25,980 cosmos 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